Sunday, November 17, 2013

Discussion: Selling and buying handmade

My Pop Up shop on a Christmas market last year.
I received this comment today (see below), on my last post, where I encourage us crafters to charge for our handmade goods instead of giving it away. This is a delicate subject, I know, and to be honest we can never charge for the amount of hours or the loving attention put into every stitch, but we can charge more than we think we can do.

My point is that by dropping the price to reach more sales we don't make the handmade industry a favor. And if we want to continue to be unique and fabulous we will have to be a more expensive alternative to the multi-produced things found in department stores. But right now I see many lovely crafters making beautiful things but their pricing does hardly cover the material cost. Why is it that we feel we have to sell our creations cheap?

If we don't feel comfortable with the price for an item we have made  - low or high - we should really ask ourselves why we make it and why we want to sell it. It is a thrill for your ego to sell something but if you want to go bigger and make money on handmade creations you have to charge more for your things.

I sold my creations last year and it was very exciting and fun. I sold everything I made but to be honest... The hard work was not paid for in the end so this year I haven't made anything to sell. I just have not had the time and I feel that I don't want to sell myself on the low end anymore. Do you want to buy a pillow for 15 dollars? Go to IKEA. Do you want a beautifully handmade and unique pillow made by me - you will have to pay triple or quadruple that at least. And that is still a bit cheap, don't you think?

So, if you are interested, why don't we discuss this below in the comment field. Lets use the reply fields and talk about this dear crafty friends. And lets keep it nice and polite shall we? I find this topic very interesting and I would love to hear what you all think.

Anonymous wrote:
"But if people charged what they really cost to make, no one would buy them! Those mitts would have taken hours to make and are sold at no more than 3 hours at minimum wage and that is very fine yarn too. They would take a lot longer than 3 hours and that doesn't include the cost of the yarn itself. A pair of socks takes 20 hours or so to knit (with sock yarn) and no one would pay it. I spent days making a small bag - 4 and no one would pay more than £15 for it, despite all the embroidery and hand stitching. People will not pay true costs. Even those who want to, as they simply can't be afforded.

Even at the prices I do charge in my shop, I couldn't afford to buy my own goods, and although I have gone for higher end prices, most of my labour is free. People don't have the money, it is why we don't manufacturer here but buy cheap goods abroad. It is how it is and you can not blame people for it. I can't afford even the cheapest shops sometimes and my goods from those shops do have to last - they are not throw away. People have not got the money and don't see that much added value, that makes it worth it to them. Often high-street prices are the same as handmade. I work 8-9 hours a day at a stretch making something with no break, sewing by hand. It is a sweat shop as it is very hard work . The more 'handmade' the more the exploitation. I work only by hand, no machines. When people buy at low prices, that isn't supporting hand made, it takes advantage of it. When people sell at low prices, it keeps the prices low. Your mitts are worth much more than you paid - you paid no more than for many manufactured ones. People like my things but I can't charge 8 hours of labour costs for a tiny 10 cm cushion, no matter how pretty and how embroidered and hand stitched. I can't make a bigger one as that would be ridiculous (I would never sell it), I wish that I could!

There are no easy answers and no one really is to blame, it is just the economic climate we live in and the way industrialisation has made things. "


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Annette


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35 comments :

  1. Hi Annette it is such a tricky one this question of selling. I am not sure how we will overcome it as people still feel that handmade must be cheaper when it is the opposite. I don't know what the answer is although I am much more aware now of the cost of everything and I would (and do) gladly pay the going rate for handmade as I realise the value of what has gone into it and I always treasure handmade purchases, not so when I buy cheaper things in the big shops. We need a wider forum on this and this could be the right time as we are all getting much more conscious of the value and need for craft of all types. Great to chat to you Annette, lots of love
    Dorothy
    :-)xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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  2. This is a very interesting subject and one that deserves its own post, as you have done. I do not make things to sell but have often thought of it. In the end, I only like making things to give as a present or for my home. There is so much work that goes into each project and to sell yourself short is just not worth all the effort it takes to make each item.

    So I back you 100% on this subject and think that we need a different way of thinking when it comes to handmade. Handmade is special, one of a kind and should be priced according to those facts.

    Love popping by and reading your post. Hope you had a great weekend.
    -Birgitta

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  3. Hi. I can see every side of this situation. Nothing beats beautifully crafted,individually made almost works of art. I have bought things before that have become my very prized and much loved possessions. I, perhaps would rather have less than more.
    But, I am hopeless at pricing. I choose to make only gifts and make for charity. This moves me out of the arena. I want people to have my creations not worry whether they can afford them of not.
    I love expensive yarn but rarely treat myself. That is one issue I am trying to address.
    I say Good Luck to all and what suits one may be different fir another.

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    1. Hi Linda
      You're making a point here. Not everyone can afford the cost of handmade and still we all want everyone to be able to have it. Maybe making things for charity is a better alternative than feeling unappreciated when people want to bargain on your set price... At least you know that the receiver will be overly happy and love your creation. Plus it always feels good to help others in need. I should look into what I can do in this charity field. Thanks for commenting and happy crafty Monday.
      Xxx
      Annette

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  4. This is a really interesting subject. I have been creating 'handmade' for years - mostly for my own family and friends. I would love love LOVE to sell online and eventually have an adorable shop just like the one your friend has (oh I do love those photo's you have shared), but I have had friends who have spent hours on handmade and then hours setting up an Etsy store etc and not sold a thing! That's pretty discouraging.

    I often wonder about the success that most Etsy-ers have. Is it worth it? Are they making enough to cover costs AND pocket a little bit? What is the reality of setting up online?

    I would love to hear what your and your readers comments to this post! Thanks for opening up the discussion ;o)

    X Shirley Ann in England

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    1. Hi Shirley
      Thanks for participating. I am one of those who took the leap into open an Etsy shop. It is a lot of work setting it up but once it is up and you ave written a few listings it is pretty straight forward. You can copy listings for new items and it isn't that time consuming. But... I have to say I drag my feet listing things in my shop as the photographing part feels like a mountain to climb for me. I have meant to list a dozen wonderful vintage sheets in my shop for months now and I still haven't done it. When it comes to sell handmade items in my shop I haven't been that successful at all. I have to admit that 99% of my handmade creations have been sold on markets and pop-up shop events, not through Etsy. I do find Etsy to be a great place for selling up plies though. And patterns. This Etsy shop topic needs its own discussion post I think. Stay tuned and I will write about it sometime in the future.
      Xxx
      Annette

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  5. Es un tema difícil pero creo como tu,hay que saber valorar la artesanía y aunque nunca se podrá pagar todo el trabajo y dedicación ,si poner un precio justo y hacerse valer.Un abrazo enorme y toda mi admiración

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  6. I have found it difficult to sell the items that I make, but have found much joy in making gifts for loved ones, especially if the gifts are customized to their taste and color preferences. This part is the most fun for me. My experience has taught me that my customers prefer to make their own items; hence, my patterns have sold better than the items and the feed back has been very gratifying. There are still people, like me, that occasionally are willing to pay for that special item because we love it and understand the time and costs associated and are too busy working on something else. I think it boils down to a labor of love so just try it knowing that it may end up as a gift for someone instead. I also look at the time spent as leisure time while making these items, but I crochet and it's easy to multi-task during crochet time. Lots of luck to anyone with the courage to try it!

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  7. I´ve sold my own handmade-items for a couple of years now. It´s not easy to make money out of that. I would say it´s impossible. More like a hobby...
    Today we had a Christmas Market. A good feeling, but no money...

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    1. Hi Nonna
      I totally agree. When I opened my Etsy shop and tried out selling at markets my intention was more about becoming a self-sufficient crafter. If my sales could pay for my addiction of buying supplies (fabricoholic and yarnoholic and everything else crafty fun, pretty...) I was more than happy. But you still end up mass producing certain things on your few hobby hours to over the costs... A good thing for markets though is that it makes you proud and you feel good to receive good comments about your creations. It is good for your self esteem and that is never bad.
      Xxx
      Annette

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  8. I love making things for friends and family, they often ask why I don't sell them. I think if you get to the stage where you're making things because you love them and have too many it's fine to sell them and cover your costs in terms of fabric and yarn but you cannot expect to make a profit. No one will pay for your time. The industrial revolution meant cheaper goods with quicker manufacture and we cannot go back. We can appreciate the skill that is involved in making something by hand but we cannot necessarily expect someone to pay for that. Unless it is something that you really can't buy anything like, as is the case with Couture gowns etc. there may be a small market for some hand made homewares but not enough for all of us who love doing it! I'll just keep making things because I love it. I have enough projects in my head to last my lifetime!

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  9. This post could not have come at a better time. My daughter has started making signs, shelves and picture frames and was troubled as to how to price them. I feel she under prices her work but at the same time, people won't buy things if they are priced as they should be. It's very discouraging to spend hours making something and then have someone tell you they were thinking more along the lines of $ 12.00 to buy it. I mean, come on! Then once you add the price of commissions to Etsy or a walk in store that sells your stuff, and how much are you making for all your time? Plus buying wrapping papers and shipping supplies. Ugh. I can't wait to hear more about what other people say.

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  10. I have sold a few things to friends at a low cost, and usually it is on the basis of just to cover the cost of yarn that I used to make that particular item. But I could never sell on etsy as I am hopeless at pricing things. So I tend to stick to making things as gifts rather than for selling....takes the pressure off me too.

    It is understandable though, people expect to pay the same cost as things you would pick up in the store...its very sad.

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  11. This is an interesting but difficult subject to discuss about.
    Especially for me in English ;-)

    I agree that prices for handmade items can be fair prices.
    In my case; i love to make unique handmade items and i'm doing pretty
    well with my Etsy-shop.
    But i only charge just enough to cover my costs of used supplies, my Etsy costs and
    there's a small amount extra for the making of the item.
    If i really have to charge the hours spend making i have to at least double my prices.
    And i don't want that.
    I think handmade items should be available for everyone, also for those who
    might not have much to spend.
    When i look around in Etsy land i'm impressed by all the prettiness and all
    the beautiful handmade items.
    But i'm also impressed, let's say, shocked, by how much some people dare to ask
    for an item, some prices are ridiculous high!

    On the other hand, for example; when i'm on a crafty market selling my handmade fabric bunting
    flags with crochet edges (hours and hours of work) for $26,50 and someone says right to my face
    "i can buy fabric bunting flags in my local supermarket for $5 so i'll never buy these" i think
    to myself "then don't, get your hands off my bunting flags and leave"
    I don't want to sell my handmade pretties to people that don't even care about...

    All the items i've sold untill now have been received by happy and thankful people.
    It really brightens up my day when i get sweet comments or positive feedback on my items.
    If i'd wanted to make real money, without the satisfaction of making people happy with
    my handmade suitcase treasures, i would never sell handmade items.

    To make and sell handmade goods, you have to feel love and be a little bit crazy... ;-)

    xx


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  12. I find this such a timely and interesting post Annette. I have free patterns on my blog and a few adverts with bring me a little bit of income.
    I'm really going to start an Etsy shop next year ( I know I've said this before, but I mean it this time ) I just need to decide on which products would be popular and practical to make. I think crochet items would simply take too long. I see some Etsy sellers are very popular and think they must be making a reasonable profit on their items, though I'm sure many more don't have much success despite having lovely things.
    Thank you for opening this discussion.....I'll be back to see what other commenters have to say on this subject.
    Jacquie x

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  13. Yes this is a very interesting topic. I had an Etsy shop (Wee Cute Treasures) and am well aware of the pricing issue. I gave the shop up because I actually made no money even though I charged quite a lot for my items.

    I think the reason people have little respect for handmade items nowadays is because of the mountains of cheaply produced goods from poorer countries. A large chain store in my country sells the most beautiful handbeaded handbags and t-shirts for peanuts. It would make you cry. I KNOW how much work went into that. I also know that the little hands that did the work will have received almost nothing. But the result is that the majority of people now often equate handmade with cheap. I see beautiful necklaces for sale at craft fairs and know that a lot of people think 'Yes that is pretty, but I can get something similar in ****** store for half that price'. Such a shame.

    In my Etsy shop charged quite a lot for my little clothespins dolls. I did not apologize about my prices and I did get business. BUT...these dolls were semi-customised. My experience is that if someone gets something made to their specifications they will pay. (Think of handmade shoes that are still really really expensive). However, even though I charged more than my competitors I still did not make an real profit. I could never make a living out of crafting.

    I do still sell some of my things to friends (because they ask). But I usually only charge the cost of the materials and a teeny bit extra. Non-crafting friends have no idea whatsoever about the time involved and assume I am making a reasonable profit!!

    Right now though I am making a crocheted Maybelle blanket (wonder where I got the inspiration for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and have no intention of selling it. Thanks for this interesting discussion.

    Hugs, Carol (from Ireland)

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  14. I blame the big companies for stealing ideas and mass producing them.
    A couple of years ago I sold LOTS of really cute felt gingerbread decorations in a tea shop, the next year I noticed that the owner had bought in cheap/nasty gingerbreadmen and sold them for the same price....I havent made any this year.
    Ebay is also a terrible de-valuer of handmade goods, I see people almost giving their stuff away!!! I would like to make money making things but unless you really find that unique product people will always go for the cheapest option xx

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  15. Great discussion and it is great to read the comments. I find it also hard to price a pruduct I created.
    What I find especcially difficult is that custumers expect that the price for costom made is the same as the products allready made. They do not seem to realize that it takes up a lot of my time.
    Also, I did not study upholstery for 4 years to work below my price.

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  16. I have been asked many times if I would knit for money. When I counter with the question e.g. "So, how much would you pay for this jacket?" people come up with prices that barely cover the price of the (high quality) yarn, when they think they are actually coming up with a really high and fair price. When I tell them how long it takes me to make said jacket and what the yarn alone cost, they do the maths and are surprised and shocked. To be fair, why would they not be? They don't knit themselves and can't possibly imagine the time & love that goes into these items.
    I knit presents for friends and all the babies popping up around me. I knit for my two gorgeous girls and sometimes even for myself. My project queue goes from here to the moon - I have no time to knit for a couple of dollars per hour for someone else. I'd rather work in my "real" job and earn some good money that will fund my yarn addiction :-) .
    Interesting question, though, as I do love to drool over all the wonderful handmade items available on Etsy that I can't afford...
    :-)
    Sabine

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  17. Hi annette, i read all the comments... Also these from yesterday. Great discussion. Also when I'm trying to sell my handmade products on a market a hear the same reactions. Most of the time too expensive, even if it's just a little more then the costs ofthe materials. It takes a lot of time to create all these products and you now what the say? Wow, that's a great idea! They take it, turn it around, look how it is made and go home. Making it themselves. Of course, that's possible, but don't say it so i can hear it. Just visiting a market with handmade stuff, get inspired and buy nothing. Not fair!

    I think of making handmade stuff just for myself, my family and friends who really understands the hours of work and love and joy of making it. Or swap it. Not selling it anymore to people who doesn't respect all this.

    Thanx for opening this discussion.
    Grz, stephanie (handwerkjuffie.nl)

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  18. I mostly agree with what you said, but at the same time I find it difficult.If I would sell what I make on high price, I would be selling just to some people not to everybody. There is lots of people that love and appreciate handmade stuff but they can't afford it, and there is lots of people who can afford all the handmade stuff but maybe they don't appreciate the love, the time and everything we put on the pretty things that we are creating, for them it's just a new expensive item, so...hard matter this one...

    Lluisa x

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    1. Hi Lluisa
      I hear you and I do agree. The most satisfactory sale is to someone who appreciate your work and who will love and cherish your creation. No extra dollar can compensate for that. Thanks for taking part in the discussion.

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  19. Interesting post. I just got back from local craft show today. I was one of the vendors. I was selling everything that I shared on my blog. I didn't sell much today because there wasn't MUCH TRAFFIC and traffic is the key to craft show. I set my price low because people don't spend money like they used to now a day. Also if I sell an item at a lower price, it is better than bring that item back home and waiting to be thrown away or tuck away in the basement. I do this as a hobby. I kept track of how much I spent and total up my craft show at the end of the year. I'm happy to get back the money that I spent plus a little extra and lots of craft items to be used. It is a labor of love.

    Also only people who appreciate handmade would buy handmade. My family and in law didn't care about handmade so even I gave them my handmade they didn't want it.

    Finally, when it comes to selling handmade, I think, first, it is the person(s) who appreciate handmade and second is the pricing.

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  20. I''ve read all the comments so far. It is a very complicated matter. I think that the place we try to sell our products (markets and etsy-shop) may be part of the problem. People go to markets to buy nice cheap stuff. In a boutique they are more inclined to spend more money on the same product.
    As for Etsy-shops, before I started knitting and crocheting I wasn't even aware it existed!. Could it be so that Etsy is mostly visited by crafters, who are more inclined to make their own stuff rather than buying?
    I myself have been crafting for many years now. I've sold only some of my paintings at a rather fair price. All my knitting and crocheting goes as gifts for family and friends and myself. I'm lucky enough to have a job that generates enough income to pay for my materials.

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  21. This is an really interesting subject and one I have thought of a lot in the past. I have sold some of the items I made but locally and to friends. I did not charge a lot because for me it was a hobby and the people I was selling them to just loved what they were buying and were also starting to buy from me to give as gifts. However, I once got a comment from a neighbourg who wanted to give a cheap present to a newborn and as she had got a present for her own baby at the time from the mother of this newborn from a supermarket store (cheap), she said: Oh, I'll just give her one of Eva's buntings ! That hurt me and from that very same moment I did not want to make for her. She ordered the bunting and a month later she cancelled the order (the bunting was not made yet as she only needed it for 4 months after she ordered it). I was crossed on one side but happy on the other as I did not really want to make the bunting for her. And now if she ever came back asking me to make something I would say no from start.

    What I mean is I do love making things (it is a lifestyle for me and not just a hobby, my grandmother handmade everything, my mother made my clothes as a child and all in the home, and she is still crafting away . . .) and I know for a fact there are lots of people out there who appreciate 'handmade'. I simply would like to chose who I sell it to, I would hate to see one of my items in the hands of someone who does not care about it or does not appreciate 'handmade' . For the time being I make them for my kids, my home, my friends or anyone who really loves it. . . if you love making things you might just sell them to someone that loves it that keep piling up stuff at home, don you think ?
    I would still probably give a try at selling at Etsy.

    And I agree with Selfsewn on blaming the supermarkets and big brands. You just have to see the new kids collection at the Home section of a world-famous Spanish clothing store. They
    are selling our ideas, our much loved blankets, patchwork cushions, you name it . . .

    Thanks for opening this discussion it is mostly interesting to see what others think and an Etsy discussion would be much appreciated.

    xEva

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  22. I tried to make an affordable trinket in 30 minutes to achieve the minimum wage...it was difficult but I managed a few things...(see my 'A motion in time' post). Crafting doesn't pay but it keeps me sane and that's priceless! Eco Ethel xx

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  23. Hello everyone,

    I am so glad you raised this topic Annette and the fact that so many have already responded shows that we all feel very much the same. It is indeed lovely to get nice comments from happy receivers of our handmade goods and I agree that it is not easy to price them correctly. I sometimes feel disheartened when I find someone has ALMOST copied something of mine and sells it as their own. It's difficult to get noticed on sites like Etsy and Ravelry when you are a an unknown designer maker and it can all seem very overwhelming.
    I find making for friends and family very rewarding and charity making is always something that makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
    I am thinking of opening an Etsy shop and it would be really good to hear some feedback on how well people are doing on there and how difficult it is to get sales. I know I love buying things from Etsy as I love supporting my comrades in craft.
    Happy making everyone
    Heike (Made with Loops)

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  24. Well said Annette. I am just facing the same dilemma as for the first time I am having a stall and selling more than a few of my own handmade goods. It's only for a small affair in our village, but I know people wont want to pay the prices I think they should be charged it. It is really tricky and I know just how bloody hard I have worked and how many hours I have slogged on making these things. I feel so tempted to raise the prices, but at the end of the day I also want to sell it, so it is tough. xoxo

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  25. I just got done reading an article by Greenpeace who uncovered that most of our store clothing has cancer causing chemicals and even worse hormone altering chemicals. These are slow killers they remain in the garments no matter how much you wash it.So I am MORE favorable to hand knit hand made clothing with my granny's label than Ralph Lauren, Abercrombie , Target made in Indonesia and Gap , Levis Etc which were all mentioned on the toxic list, and mamy more. I think back to my granny who knew the value of a good thing and when we went to Panama she could have bought dirt cheap hand made things , table cloths embroidered by hand etc. She chose to pay full price, no haggeling she said , this is hand made good stuff. It will last 40 yrs or more if you take good care of it..This was 40 yrs ago and tht table cloth is still in excellent condition..We should all say NO to the garment industry with their cheap cancerous chemicals and buy each others things. If I see someone on Etsy selling me a sweater hand made or socks , or even a dress THAT's what Im going to start to buy..Now if one of us could just make a good pair jeans ..Landsend makes jeans to order chemical free by the way.. Not cheap..Im willing to pay for good quality hand made items . They will last a long time, and are not made with the idea of killing us or destroying the product in a yr so we have to buy more. Perhaps if you want to make a living out of this , we should pick a yearly salary that we need to live with , break it down and charge your prices as a service to others and enough to make a salary for your self..Just a thought ...

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  26. This is always a touchy subject and the area I live in, handmade is not appreciated and people will not pay the money for it. That is not to say that there aren't people who have the money, there are and they do...that is why being online is so valuable...I started my prices too low and as I got better at it and more professional looking, I raised them. I read somewhere that the price of your items can be perceived by many as "cheap" if you don't charge enough...that you don't value your time and that you use cheap materials(aka buying something mass produced in China)

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  27. Hi Annette - I have been following your blog for a while but have not left a comment before. This discussion come at a time when I have been thinking about this too as our local Embroiderer's Guild of NSW recently had a 'bring and buy' sale. A GREAT discussion! While I think you will never recoup the time (hopefully not materials) spent on a project that you make to sell, I strongly disagree with underpricing handmade items. The price should reflect some appreciation of the skill of the person who has made the item. For example, I embroidered a couple of baby singlets for aour sale. The singlet cost me about $4 AUD and I spent 1-2 hours embroidering the front. I priced the singlets at between $20-$30 depending on the amount of work. Some people thought I should price them at $10 which is ridiculously low. I think if you are buying an item that I have hand embroidered, then you are actually quite privileged and for that, you can pay a bit more than a bargain basement price. The Guild headquarters sells hand embroidered items for $3, can you believe it! We are training people to think that embroidery is a worthless occupation. If we charge a bit more, then gradually, perhaps people will appreciate the skill for what it is, a SKILL, one that is learned and practised. When I was in Belgium I happily paid quite a lot of Euro for one handmade piece of lace and I love that it was actually handmade by someone who has spent time learning to make lace and perfecting their skills to make a beautiful item. I treasure that piece of lace :) I think pricing things too low makes them cheap and disposable, like dollar shop mass production, instead of artisan - but there is a middle ground I am sure.

    Perhaps we, the artisans, need to value our own skills first ;)

    thank you for an interesting discussion :)

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  28. We had a craft fair in our town a couple of weeks ago and I bought a heart to hang on the wall for £3. Last week I went into a bargain shop and saw lots of the exact item for £1.49. A big disappointment. It's still in the bag shoved in a drawer.

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  29. Such an interesting topic Annette. I wrote a whole big blurb, but didn't feel it was as eloquent as I would have liked it to be! I think it's a shame that many crafters end up practically giving their makes away because, to put the true value on you would be laughed at.

    I have been asked so many times by non crocheters if I would make some of my blankets for them. My answer is always a polite 'no'. The Joe Public are so used to buying mass produced so cheaply, they would keel over were I to charge for yarn and hours spent actually making it! Even knowing the effort and cost of yarn that would go into making an item, I couldn't afford to buy something at the cost of it's true value either. As much as I would like to (and appreciating the time, effort and quality of an item), I simply couldn't afford to. To sell to cover the cost of supplies and your make time, you would simply have to limit yourself to a smaller market. For me, selling what I make just isn't worth it, and it would be soul destroying to be giving it away for practically nothing just to sell it. I don't think there is an easy answer. x

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  30. hello Annette, it is interesting to read all the comments on such a delicate subject. Selling handmades is not an easy task, So many hours of work are dedicated to create a piece that we hope people will appreciate its value and buy, knowing they paid a fairly good price. I made many markets before opening my etsy shop and met wonderful people who knew the value and craftmanship of handmades, But i also met some that were looking for bargain price. I had to be polite, letting them know this was not a flea market. I wish i could make everyone happy, i am aware some may never be able to afford a piece that is lovingly made by an artist. When i started selling my socks, i thought people would not buy because my price was too high. I realize now, after knitting so many pairs, that the hours and money spent on them, i could ask more. I am still pondering on the matter, but find it is such a difficult decision. The one thing that is important for me is to have a sense of satisfaction and happiness. I would stop selling my makes if it did not make me happy. Thanks dear for this interesting post xx

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